Steam OS/Machine

…anyone got one ?? According to reviews, it seems to be rather slow compared to W10, not to mention W7…while some of the glitches could be related to bad graphics drivers, im more ‘concerned’ that its failing on CPU level tests as well, which indicates kernel is not as fast as it should? Whats your thoughts about this?

also interested. can’t believe they’re doing this and it cant run directx only games

It’s easy to believe that they wouldn’t want to put Windows on every box. That would increase the cost and also defeat the real point of what they are trying to do.


Yeah but it’s not easy to believe they’re designing a system aimed at gamers that won’t run 75% (read this somewhere but at the very least its a significant amount of “AAA” games) of the games on steam. And you’re paying more than you would for a PC for the privilege.

I also can’t believe their answer was, “Oh you can stream those games from your desktop pc and let it to the hard work”. So why am I buying this overpriced box again?

How many DirectX games does a playstation run?

How many people who generally just want to run DirectX games wouldn’t just run them on their PC?

How many games are actually DirectX only? (very very small number based on the number of games that also run on things like the PS4.)

Edit: also, DirectX automatically means the box would have to run Windows… which means they also lose the ability to strip it down and customize it as they like… all to compete directly with the platform that already controls 99% of desktops. They aren’t trying to compete with that.


Valve makes money by having an open ecosystem of hardware and software that anyone can build on, currently the PC and linux and windows (not because its open, but because its ubiquitous). DirectX gives microsoft a lot of power to control things and that isn’t good for Valve, also directx means windows means any hardware manufacturer have to deal with and be strong armed by microsoft. Does anyone think microsoft would allow valve - or any one - to make a console that ran windows without some serious handicaps or even at all considering microsoft are in the business of game consoles?

Valve only has 2 real options here, a long war of attrition (which they can absolutely afford) where the end game is that devs will start targeting steamos (opengl and linux) or to let microsoft have it their way and invest heavily in wine (not the drink, the compatibility layer). Wine is incredible, but probably not consumer friendly…

The 3rd option where they do nothing is pretty much not an option either. They have enough money to play in this space, why not try? If it ultimately fails, then it fails, no one is worse ofd really.

Option one is not silly - opengl and openglish is used in a lot of places, android, pretty sure IOS, ps4 and ps3, and probably the wii/wiiu but I don’t know for sure. Option 2 would be neat, but I am not sure its good long term - microsoft can change directx very easily to make wine fail and they would forever be playing catchup.

I’ll tell you who else benefits from having an open ecosystem - me.

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Directx reminds me of Vir’s “as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price”.

I think the same of .net.

There is not one steambox. It is a linux based operating system that you can download free of charge and install on whatever hardware you like. Many places are selling their own steamboxes, Asus is one they show on their page but there are about a dozen last I checked from big businesses to smaller operations that assemble game PCs.

To be honest about playstation, I don’t know. What I do know is that many games that run on playstation that arn’t directx won’t run on a steam machine. And thats exactly what I’m saying, why not just get a PC instead of a steam machine.

These machines are more expensive than consoles, more expensive than PCs (last I checked) and won’t run a trolley full of new AAA games. Call of Duty Advanced Warfare or Black ops 3, Fallout 4, GTA 5, Far Cry 4, Metal Gear Solid 5, Assassins Creed Syndicate, Star wars Battlefront.

I realize it’s a move for the future and that they hope eventually this caliber of games will be made to run on their system but I don’t see it happening since currently there’s so little incentive to buy a steam machine and developers won’t bite if there isn’t a large user base.

Would anyone here honestly buy one? It’s literally more money for less functionality.

Plenty of PC gaming enthusiasts are not interested in building a PC, but don’t want to be stuck on a console. Also, how does a steam machine have less functionality? I am pretty sure you can still get to the desktop.

Edit: also, buy a steam machine and you get things you don’t with a custom build such as a warranty etc…

I meant available games since its primarily focused at games, but this is from the wiki

“Since SteamOS is solely for playing games in the living room, it does
not have many built-in functions beyond web browsing and playing games;
for example, there is no file manager or image viewer installed by default. Users can, however, access the available GNOME desktop environment and perform tasks like installing other software.[7] Though the OS does not, in its current form, support streaming services, Valve is in talks with streaming companies such as Spotify and Netflix to bring their features to SteamOS.”

Again I’m moving into unfamiliar territory for me, but why not just go to the existing Linux based systems instead of SteamOS?

You don’t need to build a PC to get it cheaper and better spec, you can get ready built. I think the pricing and games available are the biggest 2 problems.

Why buy a console instead of a PC anyway?

Also, if everything we try must succeed right away then we should just quit because nothing will ever change and nothing will ever get done. We can sit staring out the window getting fat. It will be glorious. :wink:

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Not sure, I have a decent PC, with 16 GB and 8 core, and ATI graphics card(Honestly the graphic card is moderate but I do not care to invest a lot in it but I can upgrade easily), but when I want play game I go for PS3 ( 512MB, with the IBM mysterious Cellular processor ), and I am still playing Crash Banidcoot which my kids like too much even he has more visually advanced games, but kids does not care about visuals or lighting they care about color and fun

Honestly I have no explanation for this myself, but this what I do :blush:

it is about sharing the gaming experience with my family, Game consoles is fun not sure why but I prefer it :slight_smile:

Yes, I was being a bit facetious.

These days, I only game on my PS4 despite the fact that I have plenty of PCs way powerful enough to run many of the same games.

There is something about sitting in your living room, and in my case in front of the 8 foot home theater screen, popping on the game and going. I don’t have to worry about configuration issues, or driver updates, or e-mail pop ups, etc… I sit down, kick back, and let the good times roll.

And so as an indie developer, the Steam box looks pretty attractive. It would certainly be the easiest way for me to get my Java game to run in an environment comparable to that console experience. It’s what OUYA totally missed the boat on. I don’t want to play phone-games on my TV, really… certainly not for that price… but I DO want to play mid to higher level games on my TV.

I have like almost 100 games on my PS4 at this point, and easily 90% of them are indie games or sub-$15 games.

Anyway, I don’t know if the Steam box will succeed but I see what they are trying to do and I’d like to think there is a real market there because I’m squarely in the middle of it.

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The new PS2 emulator makes the PS4 even more attractive: Hands-On With PS2 Emulation On PlayStation 4 - YouTube Now I’m a bit jealous. ^^

Back in 1990 we had a C64 at home which was mostly used as a gaming console by my brother and me. I also used this device to code my own games in Basic. But as a gaming console it was perfect: Just plug into an old TV, grab the two joysticks, play together with my brother. :chimpanzee_closedlaugh:

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Really, PS2 Emulator will be a killer app to PS4, I think Steam can do it, but not sure how legal is it?

This is a PS2 emulator that runs on the PS4. Made by Sony.

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is it issue in SteamOS or Linux in general ?, not sure if Valve plan to do with Linux what Sony did with FreeBSD in Playstation? and not sure if it is even feasible.

I think they’re pretty commercial and pratically useless. You can use any major distro and have an identical or better result.

yes, sure I got it :smile: the demo in video was PS4 gameplay

but in different prespective I think about that those emulator are already available on PC as well, I tried it before so is it feasible to have such emulators in SteamOS ???